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Heavyweight Bout: Patek Philippe Reference 5170P vs. 5070P (Plus 5070P-013 ‘London’ Edition) Chronographs - Reprise | Quill & Pad

Heavyweight Bout: Patek Philippe Reference 5170P vs. 5070P (Plus 5070P-013 ‘London’ Edition) Chronographs – Reprise | Quill & Pad

From the time that I previously spread the word about it that I’d got back Patek Philippe’s stunning Reference 5170P chronograph , I’ve habitually been asked two questions:

  1. How does it confront my Patek Philippe Reference 5370P split-seconds chronograph? I tended to that subject momentarily in my “Why I Bought It” article on the 5170P , however may get back with another report after I have the advantage of more wrist time with both.
  2. How does it compare to Patek Philippe’s earlier leader chronograph, the platinum-cased Reference 5070P?

Big hitters: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-013 (at left) and Reference 5170P

I don’t possess a Reference 5070P (nor besides any of the 5070 variations). However, cheerfully two individuals from our NorCal watch group do, and one of the two watches is the super-uncommon Reference 5070-013 “London” version gave in May of 2015 for the company’s display at London’s Saatchi Gallery (see Eleven Regal Timepieces From Patek Philippe’s Grand Exhibition At London’s Saatchi Gallery ).

Recently, the 5070-013 London version came my way for some shooting, and among that and some more established shots of my other buddy’s unique Reference 5070P-001 I can impart an immediate comparison to you.

First things first: going gaga for Patek Philippe Reference 5070P

It was seven or eight years prior that I initially saw a Reference 5070P in the metal at one of our pack’s normal lunch meetings that ended up having a “chronograph” theme.

I was promptly enamored by the manly extents of the watch, the appealingly jumbled dial with its white gold applied numerals, and the profile of the 507x-style case (which additionally serves particularly well in the substantially more complicated pretense of the Reference 5074 never-ending schedule minute repeater included in The Great Chime-Off: Patek Philippe Minute Repeater References 5074P And 5078P.

Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-001

In 2012 I figured out how to get this 5070P-001 for a photograph meeting utilizing my 2012 gear and 2012 photographic abilities; I as of late revisited my photograph documents or more and beneath a few shots that at any rate make a nice showing of conferring a feeling of the gravity of the watch and the dazzling record blue shade of the dial.

Captivating structure and shading: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P chronograph

As I’ve had the chance to compare and differentiation Reference 5070 and Reference 5170, one thing that has struck me is the means by which keenly Patek Philippe figured out how to bundle the Lémania-inferred Caliber CH 27-70 development with its 27.5 mm width into a wristwatch that, at 42 mm in generally speaking distance across, is one of Patek Philippe’s biggest ever.

If you look carefully, you’ll notice that the subdials for the 30-minute chronograph counter and running seconds are very near the focal point of the dial.

Watches with a “cross-peered toward” appearance uncovering a too-little development inside are an annoyance of mine, yet Patek Philippe’s utilization of a twofold external railroad track for the chronograph seconds and tachymeter occupies the space so well that as of recently I’d never seen the inboard subdial placements.

Time passes: enter Patek Philippe Reference 5170P

After I’d initially gotten an opportunity to look at Reference 5070P in detail, it took up an unmistakable situation on my “objects of want” list; yet I was in good company in my yearning, and the costs for the couple of used pieces that came to showcase started high and afterward got higher. So I never pulled the trigger.

The new age: Patek Philippe Reference 5170P in platinum with precious stone indices

Fast forward to Baselworld 2017 and I had my socks knocked off once more, this time by the recently presented Reference 5170P with its striking blue-dark dégradé dial and shimmering however recognized applied jewel roll cut hour markers.

Dressy and clean: Patek Philippe Reference 5170P

I’ve written in detail here beforehand about the 5170P so will not go on at extraordinary length now, yet I’ll anticipate my decisions beneath by saying that for me Reference 5170P is inside and out a commendable replacement to its platinum forebear.

Movement side, Patek Philippe Reference 5170P

And then there were three: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-013 “London” edition

In July of 2017, I had the chance to get together with watch companions from around the globe at the Patek Philippe Grand Exhibition in New York . One of the extraordinary treats of that visit was the chance to see a buddy’s recently gained Reference 5070P-013 London edition.

Slightly extraordinary and very uncommon: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-013

Our gathering of authorities had the chance to compare this watch with an illustration of the first 5070P, and a discussion promptly broke out: was the dial of the “London” watch lighter or more obscure than the first version?

The lighting at a specific second assumed a part in one’s discernments, and yet it appeared to be that general perspectives contrasted from individual to person.

Brighter blue – I think: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-013

To my eye, in any event, the shade of the restricted release watch is a more genuine blue than Reference 5070P-001’s blue-dark, and the tone is to some degree lighter. Yet, as you can find in the photograph beneath, contingent upon the point and conditions the apparent “delicacy” of the dial can change truly a bit.

Dial detail, Reference 5070P-013 chronograph

If you compare the dials of the two watches, you’ll additionally have the option to choose some other unpretentious contrasts, including:

  • a distinctive text style for the “Patek Philippe Geneve” inscription
  • different shapes on the printed numerals 1 and 7 and a portion of the 4 numerals
  • the size of the numerals imprinted on the subdials
  • at least to my eye, more articulated subdial grooves on the more up to date watch

One zone in which the two watches are indistinguishable is the development side, with a striking perspective on the Caliber CH 27-70 development introduced by Patek Philippe in 1986 and first joined in quite a while yellow gold Reference 5070J in 1988.

Patek Philippe Caliber CH 27-70 in Reference 5070P

As on the facade of the watch, Patek Philippe needed to accomplish some work to make the 27 mm distance across development work outwardly in a 42 mm watch; at the back the ventured bezel and calculated external edge of the screw-on case back guide the eye in to a development that thusly isn’t profoundly sunk into its case, assisting with lightening the impression of a smallish development size.

Side by side: Patek Philippe References 5070P and 5170P

On to the headliner! At the point when you get the 5070 and 5170 next to each other, both the unmistakable contrasts and fundamental family likeness are apparent.

Side by side: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-013 and Reference 5170P

Interestingly, to my eye in any event, the two watches have all the earmarks of being very comparative in size, despite the fact that the 5070 is just about 3 mm bigger in measurement, as the more open dial and more slender bezel of the 5170 stunt the eye. The less difficult Calatrava-style instance of the 5170 functions admirably with the open, present day look of the watch – in spite of the fact that I locate the 507x case with its ventured bezel and drags hard to beat.

Dial subtleties, Patek Philippe chronographs in platinum

A closer view uncovers extra details:

  • The shading degree of Reference 5170 is simply executioner and something that quickly attracted me to the watch.
  • The apparent differentiations on Reference 5170 are more articulated, with more extensive (and maybe more splendid) printed numerals and even a lighter silver tone on the focal chronograph seconds hand with its more extensive tail.
  • Reference 5170 loses the “area” look of the external size of its archetype however once again introduces it as an element encompassing the printed numerals on the subdials.
  • Based on the design of the development, the subdials on Reference 5170 are put both nearer to the edge of the dial and marginally balance underneath the 3-to-9 pivot. The last component bugs a few group, however I don’t care about it at all.
  • To my eye the adjusted dauphine hands with lume on Reference 5170 are one thing that I may have changed (don’t ask me how!) yet they are a reasonable move from Reference 5070’s leaf hands.
  • Applied white gold numerals versus roll cut precious stones! For me both are totally steady with the plan of the rest of their separate watches and I love them both.

Movement sees, Patek Philippe Reference 5170P (left) and Reference 5070P

A brisk flip and we’re on to the development sides. I’m a fanatic of the prior Caliber CH 27-70 and its Geneva Seal , yet when it’s all said and done the size, transparency, and visual fly of the in-house Caliber CH 29-535 PS truly address me, and I love subtleties like its dark cleaned segment wheel cap. I’m additionally persuaded by its useful progressions that incorporate hacking seconds and quickly bouncing chronograph minutes.

Each development appears to be completely cognizant with the remainder of its particular watch: the 27-70 is more outdated meets steampunk to my eye, while the 29-535 is a lot of twenty-first century design.

On the material front, both have a genuinely light yet characteristic manual winding feel. With regards to the pushers, the 5170 to me has a really satisfying reformist feel to the beginning/stop pusher than the 5070, while the 5070 shows a more adjusted degree of exertion needed to incite the beginning/stop versus return pusher than the 5170, whose get back to zero feel is very light.

On the wrist

Let’s face it: life could be more awful than getting the opportunity to lash on these superb watches! In the wake of wrapping up in the light tent I could scarcely hold back to get Reference 5070P-013 on my wrist for a fast piece of shooting outdoors.

On the wrist: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-013 “London”

Next up was Reference 5170P, and in common light the blue-dark tone must be believed to be believed.

Modern wonder: Patek Philippe Reference 5170P

And on account of the wonder of a 8 TB reinforcement drive and a sufficiently decent documenting framework, I had the option to uncover one of my prior photographs of Reference 5070-001 for comparison purposes.

Ignore that finger impression: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-001 on the wrist

What’s the verdict?

I’ll admit that when I started this comparison I completely expected that by the day’s end I’d have a solid preference for Reference 5070P, a watch that I’ve pined for the majority of 10 years now, over my own Reference 5170P.

It came as somewhat of an unexpected that whenever I’d took care of, shot, and investigated both I found the race practically a standoff. Perhaps if some place in the Patek Philippe vaults in Geneva there were a Reference 5070P with the more current text styles and printing extents of the “London” version and the blue-dim shade of the first Reference 5070 I’d be enticed to auction various watches and get down acting with great humility to request it. Yet, that appears fairly unlikely.

For now, I’ll gladly wear my trendy Reference 5170P and grab my buddies’ pieces from attention to time!

Parting shot: Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-013 “London” (left) and Reference 5170P

What are your considerations? I’m quick to hear your decisions in the comments segment below.

Quick Facts Patek Philippe Reference 5170P

Case: 39.4 x 10.9 mm, platinum with brand-trademark precious stone at 6 o’clock; sapphire gem case back

Dial: gold with sunburst blue completion gradated to dark at edges, loaf cut precious stone markers; white tachymeter scale and markings

Development: physically twisted Caliber CH 29-535 PS; 4Hz/28,800 vph; power hold 65+ hours

Capacities: hours, minutes; auxiliary seconds; 30-minute immediately bouncing chronograph

Current retail cost: $96,390

Creation years: 2017-present

Quick Facts Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-001

Case: 42 mm, platinum with brand-trademark jewel at 6 o’clock; sapphire gem case back

Dial: gold with sunburst blue completion; white tachymeter scale and markings; white gold applied Arabic numerals

Development: physically twisted Caliber CH 27-70; 18,000 vph/2.5Hz, Geneva Seal, power save max. 60 hours

Capacities: hours, minutes; auxiliary seconds; 30-minute chronograph

Unique retail cost: $87,500

Current asking costs (on the web): $155,000 to $175,000

Creation years: 2008-2009

Quick Facts Patek Philippe Reference 5070P-013 “London” release

Case: 42 mm, platinum with brand-trademark jewel at 6 o’clock; sapphire gem case back

Dial: gold with sunburst blue completion; white tachymeter scale and markings; white gold applied Arabic numerals

Development: physically twisted Caliber CH 27-70; 18,000 vph/2.5Hz, Geneva Seal, power save max. 60 hours

Capacities: hours, minutes; auxiliary seconds; 30-minute chronograph

Constraint: five pieces

Unique retail cost: £111,120 (approx. $173,000)

Current asking cost (on the web): $360,000

Creation year: 2015

* This article was first distributed on July 28, 2018 at Heavyweight Bout: Patek Philippe Reference 5170P versus 5070P (Plus 5070P-013 ‘London’ Edition) Chronographs .

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